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  • Ask the Dox……………knuckling over.

    by Mary Shimshea on March 30, 2013

    b“Ask the Dox” is our segment in which anyone can ask the community to share their experiences and opinions. You must post a pic with your dilemma. We do not claim to be professionals, but just a community of dog-lovers with a common interest…..Dachshunds.

    Angella Fawn asks……………………………Is this knuckling over? Will it cause arthritis? Is there anything that can help straighten his legs without expensive surgery or is there a reason to be concerned how this will effect him in old age? He is 2 years old, not from a breeder. Though he looks just like his dad, a dachshund,  mom was a GSD/boxer mix.  When i first got him I studied on over knuckling because of what the breed standards say (though he is not  show dog I am just concerned for his overall well being and long term health) Standards  say:  Forearm–short; supplied with hard yet pliable muscles on the front and outside, with tightly stretched tendons on the inside and at the back, slightly curved inwards. The joints between the forearms and the feet (wrists) are closer together than the shoulder joints, so that the front does not appear absolutely straight. Any experience out there?

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    Susan Stoltz
    March 30, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    The dogs front pasterns look weak so that the front feet are not up on their front paws.

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    Coralee Beet
    March 30, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    I mix diet dog food with regular and that really helps with the weight problem

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    Tammy Shipp
    March 30, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    I have 4 Doxies..Their legs are like this also. I worried about the same thing and went to my vet about it. He said Doxie’s are made this way and not to worry about it. He said to keep an eye on them jumping off of things because Doxies sometimes get back problems.

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    Pam Lindemood
    March 30, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Looks like normal doxie legs to me! So unique.

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    Guadalupe Rivera
    March 30, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    No. That is “east/west” position of the paws. Here is a good image of knuckling over: http://dachshund-dca.org/Media/JudgesEd/knucklingover.JPG

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    Teresa Alexander
    March 30, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    My dogs look the same way to. Doxies tend to always have bowed legs, its how bowed they are that can be harmful. If it looks like he has an elbow sticking out of the side of his leg that’s when u should go to a vet. Keeping their nails as short as possible will help with the bowing to stop, that’s the number one thing that bows legs, long nails and being over weight.

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    Teresa Alexander
    March 30, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I let mine sky dive off of my recliner chair and couch. My couch is really low to the ground but the chairs at normal size. I need to stop letting him do that. My bf let’s him do it all the time and gets made at me when I tell him to stop letting him jump. It becomes a two person job and everyone being on the same page

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    Melonie Phillips Holcomb
    March 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    i don’t see anything wrong, typical doxie legs to me

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    Tammy LaMay
    March 30, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    My chiweenie who us 7 has a front right leg like this with the turned paw..a bit worse. He was born like this. My vet said he is more apt to have arthritis later. My dog moves like the wind and you could never tell anything is wrong with him…and he is deaf too. Just watch your pup and take to the vet if you notice anything out of the ordinary :)

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    Dee August
    March 30, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    I don’t understand what this pic shows. The bumpiness of the joints? All doxies look like that.

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    Dee August
    March 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Knuckling over is when a foot “drags” or the knuckles drag. Usually a sign of spinal cord damage and reason for emergency vet visit!

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    Suzette Tidwell Allen
    March 30, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Knuckling over usually pushes the leg forward. Doxies have legs that are turned in on the front. I’ve know looked at both my doxies, and they look like this.

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    Sarah Michaud
    March 30, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    I had the same concern when I got my boys. They still look the same and the are perfectly healthy.
    But when they are growing important to make sure they are walking/running/playing in the house on carpet. The slippy tile or hardwood could cause knuckling over because they do not have the proper traction while moving to grow their muscles correctly.

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    Running Cloud Brown
    March 30, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Looks like my dear little one. . . don’t be concerned because the more you put eneregy into that theory it will eventually happen. Love your little precious baby!

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    Susan Giberson Conley
    March 30, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    My doxie’s front legs look the exact same way. I just asked my vet 3 weeks ago about it, and she said that they were normal & nothing to be concerned with.

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    Angella Fawn
    March 30, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    thank you all for yur comments. he walks fine. I am not concerned how it looks so much as how it MAY CAUSE arthritis later – I dont want him to hurt excessively if I can prevent it. it just looks like it would be painful but if this is normal for doxies then I suppose I can stop worrying.

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    Kathy Worley
    March 30, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    My dog has this but extreme- wasn’t like this when a pup start about 1yr old and now is 9yrs- when he stand in place his legs actually bowl out and twist- Makes him Special! doc just said just make sure he doesn’t jump DOWN for high places- it’s the down not the up!

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    Teresa Ann McKee
    March 30, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    My boy has this was told it was cause by malnourishment a pup. He’s 9 yr old and has no problems with arthritis. The only thing I have to watch out for is dips in the grass when he’s running, he sometimes trips and he hurts for a bit and then he’s back to his old self.

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    Holly Cousins-Schaefer
    March 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    my girl has front legs that are a little worse than that, she’s 9 now, never any issues! all is good.

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    Dawn Shonkwiler Cobb
    March 30, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Mine all (and I have five right now) look like this – never an issue. My little Harley used his to play “soccer” with a tennis ball (and he lived to be 17+).

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    Cindy Turner
    March 30, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Knuckling over is when the dog’s claws roll under the foot or paw and is usually a result of nerve damage/nerve root impingement. This doggie is perfectly fine!

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    Sandra Nolan
    March 30, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    I don’t see anything wrong here! I have 4 minis & they all do this to one extent or the other. HOWEVER, since you are concerned about this, you really need to talk to your vet. Your vet is the expert! That “standard” you are quoting is the PERFECT conformation standard for show dogs. If this furbaby is a pet than who cares about him/her having the perfect conformation! Just love ‘em!!!! That’s what they want most!

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    Suzette Tidwell Allen
    March 30, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    I’ve never seen a dachshund with straight front legs…..ever. As long as you keep the nails short, should be fine.

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    Angella Fawn
    March 30, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    Holle Weiss-Friedman
    March 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Your Doxie’s legs look like how they come on long low dogs! Fear not. You have more to worry about his back than his legs. Hopefully, if you keep his weight controlled and NEVER let him jump on and off high places (which includes most furniture, if your legs are less than 6-8 inches long) he’ll live a long and active life with full mobility!

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